RECENTLY LOCKED USERS (UPDATED)
01-19-2009, 07:43 PM
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Today, I froze the accounts of several users. Normally, I reserve that measure for cases of clear and repeated abuse.
Well, today (just a few days after the board was attacked by some seriously messed up individuals) I encountered another kind of abuse -- by existing, well-established members.
Why were those user accounts frozen?
They were deleting their posts. Actually, they were replacing the contents of their posts with words "deleted", "gone", etc.
Now, why is that a problem?
I wouldn't mind if someone posted something, then changed their mind and asked me to delete a topic. There might be plenty of legitimate reasons for that. And I don't have a problem with that at all.
But systematically going through the posts and intentionally ruining conversations in which other people took part is abuse as far as I'm concerned.
To those individuals:
You see, topics consist of individual posts.
Topics are conversations between different people. When you make a post, other people take their time to reply to you. This is no longer just your post in a vacuum. It is a conversation. Other people put their time and effort into "creating" this conversation together with you.
Other people might bookmark it for future reference, might send links of such conversations to their friends and guild members and so on.
And then you come back, and replace your posts with "deleted". And completely break the topics -- those conversations are now ruined.
Someone out there took their time to reply to you, to comment on your quilt, to share their opinion, or just to say "thanks for the tip". And what did you do? You basically spit in their face.
All because you were in a bad mood at the moment.
On top of that, such actions leave the message board in a messed up state. I spent close to 4 hours today fishing out and deleting all the "deleted"/"gone" posts. Just to clear things up. So that we wouldn't have a bunch of topics about nothing. So that other readers don't have to waste their time opening up page after page in hopes of reading quilting-related material just to see "deleted" on their screen.
Thank you very much. That's four hours of my life that I'm not getting back.
One more thing:
I don't care for how long you've been a member of this board or how good of a quilter you are. I don't care if you threaten to leave. If you don't care about other people's time, effort and feelings, then I don't want you on this board.
UPDATE:
I received some communication from a few members, and as a result I would like to clarify a few things. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the cause of user bans.
None of the users who got banned were banned for copyright discussions. They were banned for ruining the existing topics on the board and for causing havoc.
In total 5 users had their accounts locked.
As for the copyright discussion and the terms of use here, I can understand the concern of some people.
I changed the terms of use for this website just so it's clear to everyone that I don't want to steal the copyright or the authorship of your posts and pics from you.
Here is the relevant clause from the terms of use as it appears on the site now:
and from the registration page:
So in short, you keep the copyright of your posts, but allow the unlimited use of the posts by the administration.
Why does the board need such clauses at all?
It's unfortunate, but companies get sued by people every day for most ridiculous reasons.
And I need to protect the board from even a remote possibility of such thing happening.
Imagine the following scenario:
Someone joins the message board and makes a post.
A month later, they demand a royalty payment for displaying their work. And since the site is run by a company, not a non-profit organization, they consider it commercial use, so now they want $50,000.
Is that likely to happen?
Probably not, but there are enough frivolous lawsuits out there, and I don't want to take any chances.
Well, today (just a few days after the board was attacked by some seriously messed up individuals) I encountered another kind of abuse -- by existing, well-established members.
Why were those user accounts frozen?
They were deleting their posts. Actually, they were replacing the contents of their posts with words "deleted", "gone", etc.
Now, why is that a problem?
I wouldn't mind if someone posted something, then changed their mind and asked me to delete a topic. There might be plenty of legitimate reasons for that. And I don't have a problem with that at all.
But systematically going through the posts and intentionally ruining conversations in which other people took part is abuse as far as I'm concerned.
To those individuals:
You see, topics consist of individual posts.
Topics are conversations between different people. When you make a post, other people take their time to reply to you. This is no longer just your post in a vacuum. It is a conversation. Other people put their time and effort into "creating" this conversation together with you.
Other people might bookmark it for future reference, might send links of such conversations to their friends and guild members and so on.
And then you come back, and replace your posts with "deleted". And completely break the topics -- those conversations are now ruined.
Someone out there took their time to reply to you, to comment on your quilt, to share their opinion, or just to say "thanks for the tip". And what did you do? You basically spit in their face.
All because you were in a bad mood at the moment.
On top of that, such actions leave the message board in a messed up state. I spent close to 4 hours today fishing out and deleting all the "deleted"/"gone" posts. Just to clear things up. So that we wouldn't have a bunch of topics about nothing. So that other readers don't have to waste their time opening up page after page in hopes of reading quilting-related material just to see "deleted" on their screen.
Thank you very much. That's four hours of my life that I'm not getting back.
One more thing:
I don't care for how long you've been a member of this board or how good of a quilter you are. I don't care if you threaten to leave. If you don't care about other people's time, effort and feelings, then I don't want you on this board.
UPDATE:
I received some communication from a few members, and as a result I would like to clarify a few things. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the cause of user bans.
None of the users who got banned were banned for copyright discussions. They were banned for ruining the existing topics on the board and for causing havoc.
In total 5 users had their accounts locked.
As for the copyright discussion and the terms of use here, I can understand the concern of some people.
I changed the terms of use for this website just so it's clear to everyone that I don't want to steal the copyright or the authorship of your posts and pics from you.
Here is the relevant clause from the terms of use as it appears on the site now:
Visitor agrees as a condition of viewing, that any communication between Visitor and Website is deemed a submission. By making a submission, Visitor grants the administration and the owners of the Website a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licenseable and transferable license to use in any way, reproduce and distribute the submission and prepare derivative works of the submission without further permission. This includes commercial and non-commercial use of all submissions, including portions thereof, graphics contained thereon, or any of the content of the submission. Visitor agrees to only communicate that information to the Website, which it wishes to forever allow the Website to use in any manner as it sees fit. "Submissions" is also a provision of the Privacy Policy.
By registering, you acknowledge that you have read, understood and agreed to the privacy policy and the terms of use of this website. You also agree that anything stated on this forum by its members does not represent the official position of the forum administration. The administration disclaims all responsibility for the accuracy of the information on this site and for your use or inability to use such information. You state that any posts made by you do not infringe on the copyright of others or violate anyone's rights or any laws. By posting here, you grant the administration and the owners of this site a worldwide, non-exclusive, irrevocable, royalty-free, sub-licenseable and transferable license to use in any way, reproduce and distribute your posts and prepare derivative works of your posts without further permission. The administration reserves the right to delete or alter any posts and/or disable user accounts at its own discretion.
So in short, you keep the copyright of your posts, but allow the unlimited use of the posts by the administration.
Why does the board need such clauses at all?
It's unfortunate, but companies get sued by people every day for most ridiculous reasons.
And I need to protect the board from even a remote possibility of such thing happening.
Imagine the following scenario:
Someone joins the message board and makes a post.
A month later, they demand a royalty payment for displaying their work. And since the site is run by a company, not a non-profit organization, they consider it commercial use, so now they want $50,000.
Is that likely to happen?
Probably not, but there are enough frivolous lawsuits out there, and I don't want to take any chances.
01-19-2009, 08:02 PM
#4
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Ft. Worth, Texas
Posts: 3,674
Good luck with your efforts to resolve some problems. I hope things smooth out soon. It is a little discombobulating to see all the deleteds and gones. It's probably one of those things that will have no "please everybody" result. But thanks for trying to get the board back on an even keel. I know you and Patrice and Shadow work very hard to keep this a nice place to visit and some of us don't make your job any easier. Keep up the good work.
01-19-2009, 08:05 PM
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Join Date: May 2008
Location: IN
Posts: 1,807
Thank you so much for all the time and effort that you put into keeping this wonderful site going. I am sure that it takes more work than we could ever imagine. We are truly grateful for your dedication.
Also, thank you to each of the moderators for their hard work and level headedness. This is a fantastic resource and I'm so glad it's available to us.
Also, thank you to each of the moderators for their hard work and level headedness. This is a fantastic resource and I'm so glad it's available to us.
01-19-2009, 08:24 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 459
I know you and Patrice and Shadow work very hard to keep this a nice place to visit and some of us don't make your job any easier. Keep up the good work.
It would be more difficult without them.
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