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    Old 09-07-2010, 06:05 PM
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    Originally Posted by maryb119
    I use Retayne when i prewash my batiks. It helps set the dye.
    I use Retayne also. It is not expensive at all. Some quilt stores do not know about this! EVERYBODY, GET SOME-keep it on hand=YOU WON'T REGRET IT!
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    Originally Posted by plainjane
    Originally Posted by maryb119
    I use Retayne when i prewash my batiks. It helps set the dye.
    I use Retayne also. It is not expensive at all. Some quilt stores do not know about this! EVERYBODY, GET SOME-keep it on hand=YOU WON'T REGRET IT!

    Batiks are Notorious for running. I will not use any batik without using Retayne. It does not matter who the manufacture of hte batik is , I have had them all run Vinegar will not work on cotton fabrics. Do note once treated with Retayne only wash with cold water.
    I am surprised that there is not some kind of label on the fabric , that we all end up having to "learn" this lesson from experience or word of mouth.
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    Old 09-07-2010, 08:47 PM
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    Crashnquilt, thanks for the tip on Epsom Salts! That's a new one to me. I use Retayne but like you say Epsom Salts are way cheaper
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    Old 09-07-2010, 09:27 PM
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    Originally Posted by BellaBoo
    You asked your DH if you could rearrange the furniture? And he said no? I know for fact that furniture would have been rearranged, right out in the yard just as soon as I could get it out there. :-D :-D
    My kind of gal! LOL!
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    Old 09-07-2010, 09:36 PM
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    Originally Posted by Yarn or Fabric
    I had considered taking it back - although I didn't get it from a quilt shop.. it came from the evil empire. Having said that, I have never had fabric run like this in the past - even evil empire material. I didn't see a purple that quite worked at Hancocks and Hobby Lobby was closed since I got it on a Sunday... I know the dye is out now or at least I'm pretty confident it is.

    I wonder if the evil empire would take it back... I might call the manufacturer if I can find it on the bolt next time I'm at the store... til then, it's okay. I am just soooo happy that I'm a prewasher cause I tell you what, I would have been soooo ticked if it happened afterwards. It would have totally ruined my runners & anything else that was in the wash too.. not to mention, it would not look quite match... so much for finding that perfect shade of purple. I was sooo thrilled when I found it since it matched 100% perfectly... well, til I washed it lol.
    Okay, so what is "evil empire?" I'm assuming WM? Joannes? Chain store? Been telling people for years that they carry first run stuff, discontinued lines, over-runs, misprints, incorrect DYES, and other sneaky stuff. We don't get quality fabrics at discount prices most of the time.

    That being said, NO 100% cotton fabric sold for quilting/clothing/craft use should bleed like that and it should be returned. Reputable batikers rinse their fabrics well and lay them out in the air, often on the ground or shrubs, to dry. In the shop we occasionally received from our manufacturers batiks that still had small debris rolled up in the bolts. It just let us know they truly were batik dyed fabrics.

    I'm sorry you had to fight this frustrating issue.

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    Old 09-07-2010, 09:48 PM
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    Originally Posted by Lori S
    Batiks are Notorious for running. I will not use any batik without using Retayne. It does not matter who the manufacture of hte batik is , I have had them all run Vinegar will not work on cotton fabrics. Do note once treated with Retayne only wash with cold water.
    I am surprised that there is not some kind of label on the fabric , that we all end up having to "learn" this lesson from experience or word of mouth.
    It's not that vinegar won't work on cotton, it's that the dye itself.....depending on the chemical colors....may not set with acid-based mordants. Sometimes salt works, sometimes acid, sometimes alum, sometimes something else.

    Remember the term "Madder" that is often seen in reproduction fabric prints? It is a plant used for dying fabric red. At that same time they were using madder (and other plants), the dyers used alum, iron, etc. to "set" the dye. What does iron do? It rusts.....hence many antique fabrics which were set with iron mordant have 'rusted' away, leaving strings and holes in some really wonderful old quilts and clothing.

    It's likely the mordant, the setting agent, that wasn't added properly to this batik that bled for her. And as we don't know what chemical dyes are now used on any given fabric, we can't know whether salt/vinegar/etc. is what we should use at home on it.

    Retayne is a huge benefit to us! And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.

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    Originally Posted by Jan in VA
    And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.
    Actually, I would recommend just the opposite -- setting the dye with Retayne, then washing later with Synthrapol (so any unset dye particles are suspended in water and rinsed away).
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    Originally Posted by Prism99
    Originally Posted by Jan in VA
    And if you're dying your own stuff, try Synthropol when setting it, then wash later with Retayne.
    Actually, I would recommend just the opposite -- setting the dye with Retayne, then washing later with Synthrapol (so any unset dye particles are suspended in water and rinsed away).
    I agree , that Synthropol should be used for items that are already constructed . Retayne for yardage prior to construction.
    Do note that the instructions for care once treated with Sythropol require that the item be washed in warm water for subsiquint washings to remain effective( this is on the manufactures instructions) . Retayne requires cold wash for any washes after treatment( also on the manufactures care instructions) .
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    Old 09-08-2010, 04:28 AM
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    Originally Posted by Pepita
    I have been a non washer for a long time. However, I started a applique quilt with pink, dark pink, and green batiks. In the course of working on the blocks, I think I got a place dirty and rinsed the block. The red bled. I have hand washed the red now.

    One thing I learned is that red has very large dye molecules. I use auburn hair dye, and hair dressers tell me it doesn't last as long because of this large molecule issue.

    I have only had issues with red running, but purple is part red. Thank you for the warning. I think Prisim 99 is right in that what washed out is unset dye. However, it never should have made it to market with that much discharge. (enought to change a dark purple, to a lavender)

    I do think I would take it back to who ever you bought it from and show them what happened. They may make restitution.
    What's more important is they may want to pull that bolt off the shelf and report it to their supplier.
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    What a shame but some of the "True" Batiks do run and you have to use "ReTayne' on them, I bought Jelly Rolls from Indonesia and they RUN!!
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