Copyright aggrevation.
#91
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Something else that bothers me... In an AQS show you are required to get "permission" from the designer to exhibit or enter your quilt if you used a purchased pattern!!!
AQS is perpetuating the lie that the designer basically "owns" anything you make with their pattern and that they have a say in what YOU do with it.
You can pay an additional amount and have your quilt appraised in shows. Hmmm... if designers say that you can't sell them, then aren't they worth ZERO in absolute monetary terms other than the cost of materials?
AQS is perpetuating the lie that the designer basically "owns" anything you make with their pattern and that they have a say in what YOU do with it.
You can pay an additional amount and have your quilt appraised in shows. Hmmm... if designers say that you can't sell them, then aren't they worth ZERO in absolute monetary terms other than the cost of materials?
#92
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Originally Posted by pittsburgpam
Originally Posted by costumegirl
Can these authors/designers copyright historic blocks that are in the public domain and restrict use?
#93
See...this is what makes me crazy!! So many interpretations...
I think if we consider the intent of copyrights, we would agree that mass producing or misrepresenting the design is really the base problem. To rename "quilt in a day" as "the 24hr quilt", using the same method and selling books...that is infringement. Making a few quilts from a pattern that you bought, using different fabrics etc and making a few bucks off them...that is just creative to my way of thinking.
I mean, why would designers publicize a pattern if they did not want it to be reproduced? What did they think would happen? When you have a good idea and sell it to someone else, do they really think it stops there? I could see if they made a quilt and 'showed' the quilt because they were proud of the design...and of course, I can understand that one-of-a-kind quilts should not be copied from a photo - that is just not fair , but hey - we all get our inspiration from somewhere whether it be another's work, or design on a tile, or nature...I am forever looking at quilt styles and color combos on this site and thinking that I want to make something like that...do I really need to get permission!!?!!
If a designer wants to copy-protect their designs, then they shouldn't sell the pattern or publish it. I always thought that they are selling their design to make $$ and the only way to do that is to allow others to use it. So if you are making a profit selling your pattern there is expectation that others will be making their profit off the use of the pattern. Considering the options with new quilting design software, soon noone will be buying patterns anymore from the big designers if they are too limiting.
I have been going to craft fairs for many years and not once have I seen 'permission granted' on any of the tables...
I am all for giving credit as due, but this seems to be getting way too complicated.
Next thing you know, we will have to pay a fee to see each others quilts on this site.
I think if we consider the intent of copyrights, we would agree that mass producing or misrepresenting the design is really the base problem. To rename "quilt in a day" as "the 24hr quilt", using the same method and selling books...that is infringement. Making a few quilts from a pattern that you bought, using different fabrics etc and making a few bucks off them...that is just creative to my way of thinking.
I mean, why would designers publicize a pattern if they did not want it to be reproduced? What did they think would happen? When you have a good idea and sell it to someone else, do they really think it stops there? I could see if they made a quilt and 'showed' the quilt because they were proud of the design...and of course, I can understand that one-of-a-kind quilts should not be copied from a photo - that is just not fair , but hey - we all get our inspiration from somewhere whether it be another's work, or design on a tile, or nature...I am forever looking at quilt styles and color combos on this site and thinking that I want to make something like that...do I really need to get permission!!?!!
If a designer wants to copy-protect their designs, then they shouldn't sell the pattern or publish it. I always thought that they are selling their design to make $$ and the only way to do that is to allow others to use it. So if you are making a profit selling your pattern there is expectation that others will be making their profit off the use of the pattern. Considering the options with new quilting design software, soon noone will be buying patterns anymore from the big designers if they are too limiting.
I have been going to craft fairs for many years and not once have I seen 'permission granted' on any of the tables...
I am all for giving credit as due, but this seems to be getting way too complicated.
Next thing you know, we will have to pay a fee to see each others quilts on this site.
#94
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Originally Posted by katmom54
See...this is what makes me crazy!! So many interpretations...
I think if we consider the intent of copyrights, we would agree that mass producing or misrepresenting the design is really the base problem. To rename "quilt in a day" as "the 24hr quilt", using the same method and selling books...that is infringement. Making a few quilts from a pattern that you bought, using different fabrics etc and making a few bucks off them...that is just creative to my way of thinking.
I mean, why would designers publicize a pattern if they did not want it to be reproduced? What did they think would happen? When you have a good idea and sell it to someone else, do they really think it stops there? I could see if they made a quilt and 'showed' the quilt because they were proud of the design...and of course, I can understand that one-of-a-kind quilts should not be copied from a photo - that is just not fair , but hey - we all get our inspiration from somewhere whether it be another's work, or design on a tile, or nature...I am forever looking at quilt styles and color combos on this site and thinking that I want to make something like that...do I really need to get permission!!?!!
If a designer wants to copy-protect their designs, then they shouldn't sell the pattern or publish it. I always thought that they are selling their design to make $$ and the only way to do that is to allow others to use it. So if you are making a profit selling your pattern there is expectation that others will be making their profit off the use of the pattern. Considering the options with new quilting design software, soon noone will be buying patterns anymore from the big designers if they are too limiting.
I have been going to craft fairs for many years and not once have I seen 'permission granted' on any of the tables...
I am all for giving credit as due, but this seems to be getting way too complicated.
Next thing you know, we will have to pay a fee to see each others quilts on this site.
I think if we consider the intent of copyrights, we would agree that mass producing or misrepresenting the design is really the base problem. To rename "quilt in a day" as "the 24hr quilt", using the same method and selling books...that is infringement. Making a few quilts from a pattern that you bought, using different fabrics etc and making a few bucks off them...that is just creative to my way of thinking.
I mean, why would designers publicize a pattern if they did not want it to be reproduced? What did they think would happen? When you have a good idea and sell it to someone else, do they really think it stops there? I could see if they made a quilt and 'showed' the quilt because they were proud of the design...and of course, I can understand that one-of-a-kind quilts should not be copied from a photo - that is just not fair , but hey - we all get our inspiration from somewhere whether it be another's work, or design on a tile, or nature...I am forever looking at quilt styles and color combos on this site and thinking that I want to make something like that...do I really need to get permission!!?!!
If a designer wants to copy-protect their designs, then they shouldn't sell the pattern or publish it. I always thought that they are selling their design to make $$ and the only way to do that is to allow others to use it. So if you are making a profit selling your pattern there is expectation that others will be making their profit off the use of the pattern. Considering the options with new quilting design software, soon noone will be buying patterns anymore from the big designers if they are too limiting.
I have been going to craft fairs for many years and not once have I seen 'permission granted' on any of the tables...
I am all for giving credit as due, but this seems to be getting way too complicated.
Next thing you know, we will have to pay a fee to see each others quilts on this site.
#95
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What annoys me about some of the bag patterns I have seen is the fact that, in several cases, I have identical bags in leather or canvas that I have owned for many years.
Did the designer get inspiration from the leather or canvas original? If so, he/she is certainly not giving any credit for said inspiration. If I make a fabric version of such a bag, how does one distinguish between a copy of my own bag and one made from the quilt pattern?
I have no problems with someone copyrighting specific instructions and making money off their patterns that way. However, in most cases, there is nothing particularly original about the actual shape and overall design, so restrictions on the sales of items made from such patterns just seem ridiculous.
Did the designer get inspiration from the leather or canvas original? If so, he/she is certainly not giving any credit for said inspiration. If I make a fabric version of such a bag, how does one distinguish between a copy of my own bag and one made from the quilt pattern?
I have no problems with someone copyrighting specific instructions and making money off their patterns that way. However, in most cases, there is nothing particularly original about the actual shape and overall design, so restrictions on the sales of items made from such patterns just seem ridiculous.
#96
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If simeone writes a song, you can't sing it for money without permisson Also If you buy plans from and architect, you can only use them on one house without paying him again. So IO could understnd why you could not sell a copyright pattern and sell it.
#97
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If simeone writes a song, you can't sing it for money without permisson Also If you buy plans from and architect, you can only use them on one house without paying him again. So IO could understnd why you could not sell a copyright pattern and sell it.
#98
Originally Posted by galvestonangel
If simeone writes a song, you can't sing it for money without permisson Also If you buy plans from and architect, you can only use them on one house without paying him again. So IO could understnd why you could not sell a copyright pattern and sell it.
I still think it all relates to intent.
I wonder...do all those Idol performers get the songwriter's permission?
#99
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Originally Posted by katmom54
Originally Posted by galvestonangel
If simeone writes a song, you can't sing it for money without permisson Also If you buy plans from and architect, you can only use them on one house without paying him again. So IO could understnd why you could not sell a copyright pattern and sell it.
I still think it all relates to intent.
I wonder...do all those Idol performers get the songwriter's permission?
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