copyright laws
06-05-2007, 03:53 PM
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It is confusing!! i owned and operated a needlework shop for 15 years. At some of the conference i attended, we were told that anyone who bought Ie) a cross stitch pattern could make a copy for herself in order to keep the original nice. But to copy to avoind paying for it was wrong, because it deprived the designe of her rightful income. I believe it was Vicki wo brought up ruby Shor McKim's book. I have a Dover edition copyrighted 1961 (40 years after ruby published). In the intro of my book she explilciletly say you can copy them. "....and drafted patterns from which you can copy them." It sounds to me in the ea4liler part of the intro she's collected these patterns which had never been printed before--just passed on quilter to quilter. The table of contents lists has a section called "Original Quilt Designs" for which there are pictures but no pattern. Then comes the list of Patterns. If this is a book you would like to use, you can always email mckinstudios.com and asks who holds sthe copyright--them or Dover. Thanks for letting me put my 2cents in.
06-05-2007, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Debbie Murry
I was using a faux 30's quilt block picture as my avatar. The pic I saved from their website. I was recently asked to remove it for these same reasons. And I hadn't even sewn a block yet, just used their picture.
Also I've been on some websites that when I right click my mouse to save the picture I got a pop-up saying function not available. So it's not just making a quilt for selling, you can't use their picture either.
Also I've been on some websites that when I right click my mouse to save the picture I got a pop-up saying function not available. So it's not just making a quilt for selling, you can't use their picture either.
The right mouse thing is used by ticky tacky web designers who think they can keep people from copying images from their site. Any half decent programmer knows how to get around that. We view those web designers as... bush league.
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06-06-2007, 01:59 AM
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I have an e-copy of that book (legally reproduced by antiquarian e-books.com). only the 24 bird patterns have ruby's copyright. none of the others appear to be copyrighted or attributed to any one designer. they are all patterns i've seen "all over the place" so must surely be in the public domain.
the e-book is $10.95 from http://www.patchwork-quilt-patterns.com/
regardless of the source, since Ruby passed in 1976, i wouldn't use any of her copyrighted patterns for commercial purposes until 2066. i could be wrong, but since i figure i'll have "given up quilting" by then, it is simply not an issue for me. LOL
a lot of ruby's work was included in the Kansas City Star's quilt patterns series. They published 1,001 patterns between 1928 and 1961. the complete collection is available in a series of volumes compiled and reproduced by the Groves Publishing Company. each of the 10 volumes costs about $21 including shipping.
http://www.quilterbydesign.com/kansascitystar.html
Groves also sells reproductions of a long list of ruby's original patterns.
as to the KCS patterns, 798 of them are also available in the quilt block encyclopedia compiled by Barbara Brackman. the CD version of the book is $70 and can be purchased from ElectricQuilt.com and their authorized vendors. it's hard to tell from the CD whether any of those blocks is still covered by a standing copyright. the overwhelming majority, though, are obviously public domain. i'll buy the book soon (around $30, i think) to see if that makes it more clear.
it seems to me that anybody who wants to make a commercial living from quilting or designing without creating their own unique block designs has a wealth of public domain blocks to work from without needing to risk violating any standing copyrights held by quilters on the market today.
if my own dream comes to life and i find myself a "for real" professional some day, i'll consult an attorney to see if i can legally make quilts for any customers who want a specific copyrighted pattern - provided they buy the pattern and just pay me for materials and labor. (that's years away so anybody who wants to pay the lawyer now and tell us the answer is sooooooo welcome to do us that favor. :mrgreen: )
the e-book is $10.95 from http://www.patchwork-quilt-patterns.com/
regardless of the source, since Ruby passed in 1976, i wouldn't use any of her copyrighted patterns for commercial purposes until 2066. i could be wrong, but since i figure i'll have "given up quilting" by then, it is simply not an issue for me. LOL
a lot of ruby's work was included in the Kansas City Star's quilt patterns series. They published 1,001 patterns between 1928 and 1961. the complete collection is available in a series of volumes compiled and reproduced by the Groves Publishing Company. each of the 10 volumes costs about $21 including shipping.
http://www.quilterbydesign.com/kansascitystar.html
Groves also sells reproductions of a long list of ruby's original patterns.
as to the KCS patterns, 798 of them are also available in the quilt block encyclopedia compiled by Barbara Brackman. the CD version of the book is $70 and can be purchased from ElectricQuilt.com and their authorized vendors. it's hard to tell from the CD whether any of those blocks is still covered by a standing copyright. the overwhelming majority, though, are obviously public domain. i'll buy the book soon (around $30, i think) to see if that makes it more clear.
it seems to me that anybody who wants to make a commercial living from quilting or designing without creating their own unique block designs has a wealth of public domain blocks to work from without needing to risk violating any standing copyrights held by quilters on the market today.
if my own dream comes to life and i find myself a "for real" professional some day, i'll consult an attorney to see if i can legally make quilts for any customers who want a specific copyrighted pattern - provided they buy the pattern and just pay me for materials and labor. (that's years away so anybody who wants to pay the lawyer now and tell us the answer is sooooooo welcome to do us that favor. :mrgreen: )
06-06-2007, 03:17 AM
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For my own piece of mind, I am going to check at the library to see if the two other books mentioned are there and do some research. I am not going to be doing this in any big way, but then again don't want to step on any toes, assuming someone is even interested enough to pay for a quilt. I figure that I have 2 years to research it out. Think that'll be enough time? Complicated subject!
06-06-2007, 03:39 AM
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i think we (me included) are making it more complicated than it needs to be. i figure if i stick to top designs based on the 1,000 plus public domain blocks available and/or my own originals i have nothing to worry about.
unless we can blame it on the lawyers.
yeah! i like that idea better. let's blame it on the lawyers.
:mrgreen:
unless we can blame it on the lawyers.
yeah! i like that idea better. let's blame it on the lawyers.
:mrgreen:
06-14-2007, 11:48 AM
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Just a quick question..
I purchased a magazine. I intend on making one of the patterns in this magazine. I then plan to put it here so you can see it when it's done. Do I have to site the magazine? Do I have to contact the author? I just want to show you what I have when I have it. Any suggestions?
I purchased a magazine. I intend on making one of the patterns in this magazine. I then plan to put it here so you can see it when it's done. Do I have to site the magazine? Do I have to contact the author? I just want to show you what I have when I have it. Any suggestions?
06-14-2007, 11:57 AM
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i suggest you not worry so much. :wink:
seriously, though ... as long as you don't try to claim the design as your own (which we already know you wouldn't do) or try to sell us anything related to the quilt, the magazine, or the pattern, and don't also post (or offer) copies of the pattern, etc. you can post your picture with no worries. it would be courteous to say which magazine, issue and pattern you used. it will also save you time 'cause i'll betcha lots of people will like what they see and will ask if you haven't already said.
:P
seriously, though ... as long as you don't try to claim the design as your own (which we already know you wouldn't do) or try to sell us anything related to the quilt, the magazine, or the pattern, and don't also post (or offer) copies of the pattern, etc. you can post your picture with no worries. it would be courteous to say which magazine, issue and pattern you used. it will also save you time 'cause i'll betcha lots of people will like what they see and will ask if you haven't already said.
:P
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