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miriam 05-20-2012 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by cabbagepatchkid (Post 5229607)
Thanks for the info. I bought one on ebay and it came without a motor or electric cords. I'm assuming that the outer shell of the machine breaks apart because I've seen pics of it taken off. Good thing because otherwise mine would be considered broken. I haven't had time to check it over completely but I'm thinking it's going to end up as a pretty decoration.

The machine should go back together and should actually sew - somewhere Cathy described how to get them apart - seems like a screw on the back and then the stitch lever. I think it is more fragile than the other small machines we have all posted above. I don't know if it would be considered a toy or if it would be a real machine. I kind of think mine will cheerfully be decorating my shop for a while.

cabbagepatchkid 05-20-2012 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by miriam (Post 5229691)
The machine should go back together and should actually sew - somewhere Cathy described how to get them apart - seems like a screw on the back and then the stitch lever. I think it is more fragile than the other small machines we have all posted above. I don't know if it would be considered a toy or if it would be a real machine. I kind of think mine will cheerfully be decorating my shop for a while.

Here is the picture that I found on the internet showing a naked Cinderella :o

miriam 05-20-2012 07:55 AM

AW Cathy, she's just like the rest of us - she looks better covered up... now I know why she is so light weight.

Surfergirl 05-21-2012 03:12 AM


Originally Posted by cabbagepatchkid (Post 5229743)
Here is the picture that I found on the internet showing a naked Cinderella :o

WOW! I've never seen a vintage machine taken apart like this...thanks for posting the pic. I've also never seen a Cinderella...looks like a beautiful machine...love the decals.

J Miller 05-24-2012 12:12 PM

Cathy,

That is a neat little machine. If any machine could be used as a teaching tool for simple straight stitch machines, that one is it.

Joe

jljack 05-24-2012 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by miriam (Post 4815455)
Muv has another video - this time is is about threading a Singer 15 - it also applies to the Japanese 15 clones!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2tii...re=uploademail get yourself a nice cup of tea and enjoy!!!
Thank you Muv!

OK, looking at Muv's video, I see the tension spring wire on the 15 is going out toward the front of the machine, not toward the back. If you look at the mechanism from the face of the machine, the wire goes to the right, not to the left like a poster put a pic of earlier.

miriam 06-06-2012 02:42 AM

I had a bit of trouble with a Japanese 15 last night. The bobbin case and bobbin would roll out just as soon as I put it in. Some times it would actually stay in. I was going CRAZY... Things can cause - maybe more - maybe someone else will know...
ONE. The take up lever has to be ALL the way to the top of the space (this is true on my modern industrial sewing machine, too - it has a mark on the machine for where the bobbin will go in and it is the same position)
TWO: Be sure the bobbin is not bent or warped and fits in the case flat - any defect can cause the whole thing to roll out.
THREE: Be sure the thread is clear of the area - it should be sticking out - not in the path of the bobbin.
FOUR: Make sure the tail from the bobbin winding is cut off and not making the case stick out too far.
I'm sure there can be other causes of bobbin case and bobbins rolling out of a machine.

BoJangles 06-06-2012 05:00 AM


Originally Posted by miriam (Post 5268497)
I had a bit of trouble with a Japanese 15 last night. The bobbin case and bobbin would roll out just as soon as I put it in. Some times it would actually stay in. I was going CRAZY... Things can cause - maybe more - maybe someone else will know...
ONE. The take up lever has to be ALL the way to the top of the space (this is true on my modern industrial sewing machine, too - it has a mark on the machine for where the bobbin will go in and it is the same position)
TWO: Be sure the bobbin is not bent or warped and fits in the case flat - any defect can cause the whole thing to roll out.
THREE: Be sure the thread is clear of the area - it should be sticking out - not in the path of the bobbin.
FOUR: Make sure the tail from the bobbin winding is cut off and not making the case stick out too far.
I'm sure there can be other causes of bobbin case and bobbins rolling out of a machine.

Miriam, what about the most obvious one . . . the bobbin case not being inserted correctly? I mean when it is in properly you should hear a little snap/click/pop like noise - then it is in place!

Nancy

miriam 06-15-2012 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by BoJangles (Post 5268812)
Miriam, what about the most obvious one . . . the bobbin case not being inserted correctly? I mean when it is in properly you should hear a little snap/click/pop like noise - then it is in place!

Nancy

Yup that too - it still rolls out... I don't know why...

jennb 07-05-2012 05:33 PM

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I now am the owner of 2 different clones. One is an Admiral with a badge from Occupied Japan, the other an Ambassador I got off Goodwill for 25.00 which will be here on Monday. I think I'll have to rewire the motor on the blue one if I want to sew on it, but I haven't decided if I'm going to keep it or resellt it. I'll decide when it gets here and I look it over:
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irishrose 07-05-2012 05:51 PM

I'd have a hard time letting the blue one go. My Admiral looks like a Necchi, but was made by Brother. Yours are very nice machines.

cabbagepatchkid 07-05-2012 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by irishrose (Post 5342011)
I'd have a hard time letting the blue one go.

Yeah....me too!! The Admiral is a handsome machine but I love the blue machines. Yours looks quite a bit like my blue Capri and I really love that little machine. It sews so quietly and smoothly that I keep checking to see if the bobbin thread has run out...but no...it just sews quieter than I am used to on my other machines.

miriam 07-06-2012 01:07 AM

I have a blue one - took a bit of clean up but that thing turns sssooooo smooth!!! It needs a motor too. I think once it gets a motor working it will be one fast machine.

Charlee 07-10-2012 06:50 PM

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My first clone....made in India. Case is trashed, will strip, paint and decal it.....

irishrose 07-10-2012 07:10 PM

Charlee, that's a pretty, pretty machine and we know you will make the case match.

grannysewer 07-11-2012 12:43 PM

Charlee, I'm jealous. I want a blue machine, blue is my favorite color.

wesing 07-11-2012 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by Charlee (Post 5355036)
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My first clone....made in India. Case is trashed, will strip, paint and decal it.....


Beautiful machine Charlee! I love these blue/turquoise machines. Mine sews great; I hope yours does too.

Darren

grannysewer 07-14-2012 04:55 AM

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My DD and SIL gave me this pretty one for my birthday! Looks like a '57 chevy according to my DH.

Janis 07-15-2012 04:28 PM

These colorful machines are neat. Right now the only machines I have are either vintage black or white plastic ones. The blue machines are calling to me.....
What a wonderful gift to receive for a birthday!!! Enjoy!!!

miriam 07-16-2012 02:05 AM


Originally Posted by Janis (Post 5367909)
These colorful machines are neat. Right now the only machines I have are either vintage black or white plastic ones. The blue machines are calling to me.....
What a wonderful gift to receive for a birthday!!! Enjoy!!!

You are looking for blue???

Blinkokr 07-16-2012 02:27 AM

Those are just terrific, thank you for sharing
Have a Blessed day
Ellen

grannysewer 07-16-2012 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by Janis (Post 5367909)
These colorful machines are neat. Right now the only machines I have are either vintage black or white plastic ones. The blue machines are calling to me.....
What a wonderful gift to receive for a birthday!!! Enjoy!!!

I know what you mean. A blue one is next on my list of "have to haves".

Janis 07-17-2012 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by miriam (Post 5368639)
You are looking for blue???

Right now I'm admiring them from afar. I saw a green Singer 15 from the 1950's that was inexpensive, and it didn't call out to me to take it home with me. I kept waiting for it to speak, but it just made a silent mumble. But today when I saw MarshaM's black 1930's 15, it just tore at my heart stings. I'd have taken that home in a heartbeat! I don't know just what it is about them, but the black Singers seem to shout out 'take me home!!!' Guess I'm just destined to have black Singers.

miriam 07-17-2012 01:46 PM

This link will take you to a tutorial on how to clean the lint out of the bobbin area and put everything back together again: http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...y-t194930.html
That tutorial was done with my old black pitiful Domestic 15 clone, Freckles, who serves me well.

miriam 07-17-2012 01:55 PM

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This is my Domestic 15 clone
I use this one for just about everything. I really like it. The base of it has been beaten to pieces - lots of pits.

miriam 07-18-2012 04:08 PM

Yesterday I cleaned up a New Home. It was configured about like the Singer 15 - I'm thinking I should pull out a Singer 15 and shoot pics to see what the differences are. I really like that New Home. Not all New Home machines are like that. AND somewhere I ran across one that was similar - it had the tension on the side of the machine but it was not the same kind of tension. Not at all alike.

KittyKat77 07-31-2012 06:13 AM

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Here is my 15-clone, a "Precision Master" by DeLuxe.
I love the gold and green color scheme, and after hefting this sturdy piece of equipment into the van, hubby named him "The Hulk."

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When he first came home with us, he was really filthy. He'd been hiding under a shelf in a junk shop for a long time. Now that he's all cleaned up, oiled up, and put back together, he sews very nicely.

irishrose 07-31-2012 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by KittyKat77 (Post 5408082)
Here is my 15-clone, a "Precision Master" by DeLuxe.
I love the gold and green color scheme, and after hefting this sturdy piece of equipment into the van, hubby named him "The Hulk."

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When he first came home with us, he was really filthy. He'd been hiding under a shelf in a junk shop for a long time. Now that he's all cleaned up, oiled up, and put back together, he sews very nicely.

He is a very handsome machine. The green is an interesting touch.

mlsa 07-31-2012 01:50 PM

Here is the Singer Clone that my mother gave me. She has a couple of smaller singer clones that I'm going to look at the next time I go to her house which is 5 hour drive from my house.

It's in great shape other than the belt just broke on me so if you know where I can order a belt I would appreciate it. Haven't had a chance to really learn my way around it yet. Was going to do that today when the belt broke.

Everything works on it and it's extremely clean. These are old pictures. Haven't taken pics since I cleaned it up. The bottom can use some work. That's the worst part of it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...Machine3-1.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...inMachine1.jpg

Havplenty 07-31-2012 01:54 PM

are all clones created equally? i want one of the colorful ones such as the turquoise morse. i'm keeping my eye open for the right opportunity.

miriam 07-31-2012 01:57 PM


Originally Posted by Havplenty (Post 5409035)
are all clones created equally? i want one of the colorful ones such as the turquoise morse. i'm keeping my eye open for the right opportunity.

I would say there is at least equal opportunity for them to work well. Some have larger 'harp' or 'throat' area than others. Some are in better condition for their age than others. I've seen some turn easier than others.

irishrose 07-31-2012 03:46 PM

My SM repair man has a pretty blue 15 clone, but he wants $75 for it. Too much, IMO.

miriam 07-31-2012 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by irishrose (Post 5409238)
My SM repair man has a pretty blue 15 clone, but he wants $75 for it. Too much, IMO.

If he has it all serviced, it is just about the same cost of a service call in Indianapolis.

irishrose 07-31-2012 07:16 PM

If I wanted it, it wouldn't be too much, but I'm satisfied with my pretty black MW and my gorgeous black Admiral. Whoops, the Admiral isn't a 15 clone because the tension is on the front. I have the bright turquoise and white Universal for color.

redbugsullivan 07-31-2012 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by jljack (Post 5240601)
OK, looking at Muv's video, I see the tension spring wire on the 15 is going out toward the front of the machine, not toward the back. If you look at the mechanism from the face of the machine, the wire goes to the right, not to the left like a poster put a pic of earlier.

You noticed exactly what I did! To resolve the tension problem on my Morse, word by word direction following with constant referring to pics was required. Miriam also posted a pic that helped tremendously. The machine wound up needing bobbin case and upper tension finessing!

This thread has helped me learn a ton. My Morse 300 B-L is SO quiet and consistent. Without the help of everyone here, I would have written it off as a lesson learned. <3

miriam 07-31-2012 08:59 PM

This manual is really helpful: http://www.tfsr.org/publications/tec...achine_manual/ They did a really good job writing this one. I love it I live by it when I've got something on the bench. Go through it word by word, step by step and you can fix a tension. I had a couple 15 machines that I had to rebuild the tensions. It was tricky getting them fussed out but with the help of that manual I did it. One needed a new spring the other needed the old spring free of oil and gunk. I do not know why anybody would ever use 3 in 1 oil...

redbugsullivan 08-01-2012 08:14 AM

Yes indeed! I had a friend read the upper tension section while I looked at or manipulated parts then he checked it over while I read. It took two! The bobbin test was an eye-opener.

miriam 08-01-2012 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by redbugsullivan (Post 5410750)
Yes indeed! I had a friend read the upper tension section while I looked at or manipulated parts then he checked it over while I read. It took two! The bobbin test was an eye-opener.

It is good to have help. My sister comes up from AZ a couple times a year - I save up machines to work on for when she comes - it's how we do it.

redbugsullivan 08-01-2012 10:51 AM

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Here is my Morse 300 B-L circa June 1958. That is the date stamped into the motor badge. As far as I can tell the B-L is the addition of the gauge to show stitch length. It came with a Morse Attachments box full of Greist attachments, some of which use a strange adapter to attach, and a gorgeous buttonholer with all the cams.
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redbugsullivan 08-03-2012 07:31 PM

I just started piecing with my Morse 300 B-L and words cannot express my amazement. At first, I thought, "There is something wrong! The needle isn't threaded. The bobbin thread has broken. This is too smooth!" Then I realized, the machine was doing exactly what it was designed to to- Sew smoothly and cleanly with a minimal amount of extra effort or movement.

Sewing with my Morse is like stitching through butter...


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