Identification needed on vintage sewing machine
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Identification needed on vintage sewing machine
My wife bought what she thought was a antique singer from ebay, when we looked at the machine it seemed to look similar in style to the 12k fiddlebase but without the shaped base(maybe singer clone) and the gold badge does not look like any singer badges that i have seen while searching the net, also maybe looks like it also takes the 12/1 rare needles as any needle we have tried do not fit(too big). Any help getting this machine identified(maker and model and year) would be helpful, also on the main black body where some of the gold decals have faded just to the left and under the 1st spool holder we noticed when shined at with a torch 2 words that looks like used to be there but now faded away "The Phoenix".
Thanks for reading and hope someone can help
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Thanks for reading and hope someone can help
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This is a German transverse shuttle machine. On the last picture you can see the spindle sticking out of the right side of the bobbin winder. A sharpening stone is placed on this spindle.The sharpening stone spindle is an usually indication of German manufacture.
I looked up Phoenix in the Needlebar Needle Book. It shows two manufacturers. National (an American company) and Baer & Rempel (a German company).
Hope this helps,
Cathy
I looked up Phoenix in the Needlebar Needle Book. It shows two manufacturers. National (an American company) and Baer & Rempel (a German company).
Hope this helps,
Cathy
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Mizkaki, Is the end of the spindle a sharpening stone, or is one added on to it? My Gritzner has that spindle on it's bobbin winder, and I was wondering just why. Now I know. Do you also know why it has two spindles for thread? Caroline S kindly uploaded pictures of my Gritzner hand crank to the Vintage machine photos, so you can see it there, if you wish. Wouldn't the same needles that you recommended to me work in the Phoenix too? I have a feeling they are both of the same time period, as the top of my machine's case looks a lot like the one pictured above.
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Janis,
The sharpening stone is placed on the B/W spindle.
To my understanding the second spool pin is used in winding the bobbins.
Yes, the same needles (DBX1 AKA 16x231) can be used for most transverse shuttle machines. The exception is the Singer 12, it doesn't like anything except the 12x1 needle.
Cathy
The sharpening stone is placed on the B/W spindle.
To my understanding the second spool pin is used in winding the bobbins.
Yes, the same needles (DBX1 AKA 16x231) can be used for most transverse shuttle machines. The exception is the Singer 12, it doesn't like anything except the 12x1 needle.
Cathy
Mizkaki, Is the end of the spindle a sharpening stone, or is one added on to it? My Gritzner has that spindle on it's bobbin winder, and I was wondering just why. Now I know. Do you also know why it has two spindles for thread? Caroline S kindly uploaded pictures of my Gritzner hand crank to the Vintage machine photos, so you can see it there, if you wish. Wouldn't the same needles that you recommended to me work in the Phoenix too? I have a feeling they are both of the same time period, as the top of my machine's case looks a lot like the one pictured above.
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