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Hi Caroline,
The 1-3/4" needle is a 20x1 (Singer), BB (Free), and Boye #12 (Boye Brand) which is about the most common New old stock needles available. There are many more brands, the Ismacs needle list has 12 suppliers and/or manufacturers each with their own needle "size" for this at one time common needle.
http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf
You can also try lowering the common 15x1.
I don't know of any readily available modern industrial needles that will take the place of the 20x1 as in the case of the MTx190 for Davis long needles or MY1014 for W&W8,9,D9,& Singer 9W.
Jon
The 1-3/4" needle is a 20x1 (Singer), BB (Free), and Boye #12 (Boye Brand) which is about the most common New old stock needles available. There are many more brands, the Ismacs needle list has 12 suppliers and/or manufacturers each with their own needle "size" for this at one time common needle.
http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf
You can also try lowering the common 15x1.
I don't know of any readily available modern industrial needles that will take the place of the 20x1 as in the case of the MTx190 for Davis long needles or MY1014 for W&W8,9,D9,& Singer 9W.
Jon
Measures at 1 3/4". Will have to do some more checking but it may be a Davis Long needle or Boye #10. There is a thread regarding substitutes http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...s-t190315.html.
I am feeling very guilty right now as I have owned my Queen for 2 1/2 years and have not cleaned her up to use. Me Bad!
I am feeling very guilty right now as I have owned my Queen for 2 1/2 years and have not cleaned her up to use. Me Bad!
#34
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Join Date: Jan 2011
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Thanks for the info Jon. I am going to measure the needle in my WW8 and see if it is the same needle as in my Queen. I keep an Excel spreadsheet for my sewing machines and one of the columns is for the needle size. I will update my spreadsheet. Thanks for the Ismacs link. I thought I had bookmarked it but could not find it.
Caroline
Caroline
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Thanks for all of the info! I tried lowering my standard 15x1 but just couldn't get it to work. I could only lower it a few millimeters before it affected the direction of the needle and kept it from going into the hole in the needleplate. Those few mm are aaaalmost but not quite enough. I ended up ordering the MTx190s - I'll update when I try them out... My fingers are crossed!
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Join Date: Feb 2012
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Hi Caroline,
The 1-3/4" needle is a 20x1 (Singer), BB (Free), and Boye #12 (Boye Brand) which is about the most common New old stock needles available. There are many more brands, the Ismacs needle list has 12 suppliers and/or manufacturers each with their own needle "size" for this at one time common needle.
http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf
You can also try lowering the common 15x1.
I don't know of any readily available modern industrial needles that will take the place of the 20x1 as in the case of the MTx190 for Davis long needles or MY1014 for W&W8,9,D9,& Singer 9W.
Jon
The 1-3/4" needle is a 20x1 (Singer), BB (Free), and Boye #12 (Boye Brand) which is about the most common New old stock needles available. There are many more brands, the Ismacs needle list has 12 suppliers and/or manufacturers each with their own needle "size" for this at one time common needle.
http://ismacs.net/needle_and_shank/p...eedle-list.pdf
You can also try lowering the common 15x1.
I don't know of any readily available modern industrial needles that will take the place of the 20x1 as in the case of the MTx190 for Davis long needles or MY1014 for W&W8,9,D9,& Singer 9W.
Jon
I have two machines that use the 20x1 needles. I have fits finding them. I have spent hours on the net looking for sources to no avail. Occasionally I can find some on eBay, but usually those are not the size I want.
So, what is good source for this most common New old stock needle? I've actually quit looking cos I can't find a good source.
Joe
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It seems in my experience also, that a little leeway exists in where the shuttle carrier is in relation to the needle psn. On some machines I've needed to move them closer, a bit, or even slightly bend the shuttle carrier upwards, or twist it a hair so the point lifts up. This is with the correct needle installed. (missed stitches). Some old manuals talk about adjusting needle height for different materials.
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Hi Joe,
In my experience the most commonly found NOS needle is Boye brand though not necessarily the cheapest or best bargain. If you do the ebay thing and have time to hunt, bargains ($1 needle or less) can be found. The Queen is is the #12 wood tube with 3-4 needles and come in a range of needle sizes which may or may not be good. There are also BB needles and 20x1 needles for sale on ebay though are not as commonly found as the Boye's. I'd imagine people dealing in machine parts or old time dealers would have some laying around though I don't know of anyone to recommend and you've probably already tried this approach.
Jon
In my experience the most commonly found NOS needle is Boye brand though not necessarily the cheapest or best bargain. If you do the ebay thing and have time to hunt, bargains ($1 needle or less) can be found. The Queen is is the #12 wood tube with 3-4 needles and come in a range of needle sizes which may or may not be good. There are also BB needles and 20x1 needles for sale on ebay though are not as commonly found as the Boye's. I'd imagine people dealing in machine parts or old time dealers would have some laying around though I don't know of anyone to recommend and you've probably already tried this approach.
Jon
Jon,
I have two machines that use the 20x1 needles. I have fits finding them. I have spent hours on the net looking for sources to no avail. Occasionally I can find some on eBay, but usually those are not the size I want.
So, what is good source for this most common New old stock needle? I've actually quit looking cos I can't find a good source.
Joe
I have two machines that use the 20x1 needles. I have fits finding them. I have spent hours on the net looking for sources to no avail. Occasionally I can find some on eBay, but usually those are not the size I want.
So, what is good source for this most common New old stock needle? I've actually quit looking cos I can't find a good source.
Joe
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I can blame my DD for this one. She sent me a link to a CL posting on this machine. The lister was taking a best offer. DD went to see the machine and offered $75 and the lister took it. He said his wife had purchased it to clean it up and restore it but never did. He just wanted to get rid of it.
Overall it the machine is in fair shape and of course the cabinet top needs some work. I am still trying to date the machine but there is not much information on the Internet regarding this one. I am going to estimate the date sometime in the late 1890s. The queen did come with the shuttle and bobbins. Hooray!
Overall it the machine is in fair shape and of course the cabinet top needs some work. I am still trying to date the machine but there is not much information on the Internet regarding this one. I am going to estimate the date sometime in the late 1890s. The queen did come with the shuttle and bobbins. Hooray!
Until today.
Today, 4 years later, I met her less fancy sister:
https://www.shopgoodwill.com/Item/59033941
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