redmadder

CLONES are copies of Singer 15s, made in Japan after WWII. If its made in USA, its not a clone.

Macybaby

Been looking at some online manuals - looks nothing like a Singer underneath. - LOL!!

I'm getting excited about getting a New Home of this style.

miriam

If you lived close you could have some odd machines here for not too much.

cricket_iscute

It's not a Singer clone, Miriam, but what makes you think it is not a Model 15 clone? Various manufacturers copied or adapted the Model 15, I believe. Yes, I see the different wheel and bobbin winder. There are many Model 15 clones, and I think we have a thread on that. Maybe you know something I can learn. Do tell.

cricket_iscute

Take a look at this link, especially near the bottom of the page:

http://dragonpoodle.blogspot.com/201...nd-clones.html

http://blog.sew-classic.com/2008/12/...-15-clone.aspx

Some further information. It doesn't answer the question of whether clones HAD to be made in Japan to be clones. http://www.sewingmachinesteve.com/Pa...Favorites.aspx

More info:

http://www.sewingmachinesteve.com/Pa...Favorites.aspx

This article states that clones were made both in and out of the USA:

http://www.oocities.org/heartland/pl...81/singer.html

Ed Lamoureux wrote this article and, in sewing machine circles I've frequented, is known as an expert. He says there were 5,000 types of clones.

http://www.oocities.org/heartland/pl...81/singer.html

Here is an earlier post on our own board:

http://www.quiltingboard.com/vintage...3881-2759.html

Now, even with that research presented, I am still willing to be proven wrong or taught if you know something I don't.

Cricket

J Miller

cricket,

To cover some of your points;

The machine is not a Singer 15 Clone. There are a couple of similarities between it and Singer 15s, but there are more differences that similarities.

The motor is a friction drive motor. Look just behind the hand wheel in pic 3 and you can see the end of the drive wheel. That alone kicks it out of the clone category.

The clones were called that because they were imported from Japan AFTER WW II and were modified copies of the Singer 15s. Those made in the USA prior to WW II such as that FREE WESTINGHOUSE ran concurrently with the Singers, and had they been copies Singer would have and did in some cases sue them for patent infringements. Those patents ran out around WW II and the US changed it's laws allowing foreign companies to import copies.

That FREE WESTINGHOUSE is NOT a clone it is one of Singer's competitors from before the war.

Joe

Macybaby

Like Joe said, you get one of these side by side with a Singer 15, and they are very different machines. Get a true "clone" and a Singer 15 side by side and so much looks exactly the same.

If I bring mine home this weekend, I'll take pictures of it along side the Singer 15. Just got to keep my fingers crossed that the deal goes through.

From the dates on manuals - many of these Free/New Home machines are from the late 50's early 60's, so they are post WWII machines also.

BTW - Cricket - of the links you listed that I checked out - all of them show true clones - none show a machine like this thread is about.

Yooper32

I didn't say it was a Singer, I said it looked to be a 15 and I put the Godzilla in" ". Just to clarify.

wilburness

Thank you, all of you. I do see the differences in clones vs pre-WWII. My head spins with all the knowledge that is being shared here. I have marked a few of these sites for references. again, thank you for sharing.

roserips

It is a brown Godzilla finish with bad lighting for the photography