Royal sewing machine ds 60260 issue
06-22-2023, 07:17 AM
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Welcome to the QuiltingBoard. From a search of the machine information you gave I think you might have what is known as a Singer 15 Clone, a copy of Singer model 15 made in Japan after WWII.
By the needle not coming up I assume you mean the cycle of the entire machine stops on the upcycle of the needle.
To start diagnosing, I would loosen the motor bracket bolt, lift up the motor and remove the belt from the motor pulley and the machine. Remove the needle and the bobbin case. Remove the faceplate at the needle end of the machine. I would also remove the cover holding the hook/race piece in place, this is what the bobbin case connects to. There could be something stuck back there, thread, broken needle maybe.
Hand cycle the machine, looking at the top of the hand wheel on the right side turn it such that the top of the hand wheel turns towards you. If the machine still won't cycle look at the end under the faceplate, and underneath the machine, see if there is any obvious sticking point while you move the hand wheel (gently) back and forth.
Let us know what happens.
By the needle not coming up I assume you mean the cycle of the entire machine stops on the upcycle of the needle.
To start diagnosing, I would loosen the motor bracket bolt, lift up the motor and remove the belt from the motor pulley and the machine. Remove the needle and the bobbin case. Remove the faceplate at the needle end of the machine. I would also remove the cover holding the hook/race piece in place, this is what the bobbin case connects to. There could be something stuck back there, thread, broken needle maybe.
Hand cycle the machine, looking at the top of the hand wheel on the right side turn it such that the top of the hand wheel turns towards you. If the machine still won't cycle look at the end under the faceplate, and underneath the machine, see if there is any obvious sticking point while you move the hand wheel (gently) back and forth.
Let us know what happens.
06-22-2023, 07:46 AM
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I took the bobbin out and the needle completed the up cycle but when I put it back in it gets stuck again
Welcome to the QuiltingBoard. From a search of the machine information you gave I think you might have what is known as a Singer 15 Clone, a copy of Singer model 15 made in Japan after WWII.
By the needle not coming up I assume you mean the cycle of the entire machine stops on the upcycle of the needle.
To start diagnosing, I would loosen the motor bracket bolt, lift up the motor and remove the belt from the motor pulley and the machine. Remove the needle and the bobbin case. Remove the faceplate at the needle end of the machine. I would also remove the cover holding the hook/race piece in place, this is what the bobbin case connects to. There could be something stuck back there, thread, broken needle maybe.
Hand cycle the machine, looking at the top of the hand wheel on the right side turn it such that the top of the hand wheel turns towards you. If the machine still won't cycle look at the end under the faceplate, and underneath the machine, see if there is any obvious sticking point while you move the hand wheel (gently) back and forth.
Let us know what happens.
By the needle not coming up I assume you mean the cycle of the entire machine stops on the upcycle of the needle.
To start diagnosing, I would loosen the motor bracket bolt, lift up the motor and remove the belt from the motor pulley and the machine. Remove the needle and the bobbin case. Remove the faceplate at the needle end of the machine. I would also remove the cover holding the hook/race piece in place, this is what the bobbin case connects to. There could be something stuck back there, thread, broken needle maybe.
Hand cycle the machine, looking at the top of the hand wheel on the right side turn it such that the top of the hand wheel turns towards you. If the machine still won't cycle look at the end under the faceplate, and underneath the machine, see if there is any obvious sticking point while you move the hand wheel (gently) back and forth.
Let us know what happens.
06-22-2023, 07:58 AM
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I would put in a brand new needle, even if the one you're testing with is new. Put in the empty bobbin case, and try it. It that cycles put in an empty bobbin, different from the one you've been using, and try to hand cycle.
The tolerances are pretty tight in the needle/hook area, the slightest bend or incorrect installation of a part can cause such problems.
The tolerances are pretty tight in the needle/hook area, the slightest bend or incorrect installation of a part can cause such problems.
06-22-2023, 08:12 AM
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Also, make sure you are using the correct size needles. This machine probably takes a 15x1, the most common needle out there.
Check the groove into which the needle slides. There should be a stop visible in that groove (probably the inside end of the screw holding on the thread guide). There should be nothing else in that groove such that the end of the needle goes all the way up against the stop.
Check the groove into which the needle slides. There should be a stop visible in that groove (probably the inside end of the screw holding on the thread guide). There should be nothing else in that groove such that the end of the needle goes all the way up against the stop.
06-22-2023, 09:12 AM
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Another thought, if it is cycling through without the bobbin, perhaps the bobbin case is not inserted correctly. Or maybe the race isn't fastened. Does it sound like it is hitting something? Here is a manual for a similar machine (that has feed dog drop, which yours probably doesn't). https://ismacs.net/singer_sewing_mac...ion-manual.pdf There is another at https://www.manualslib.com/manual/10...Morse-200.html
Maybe if you take a picture of the bobbin area when it cycles and when it doesn't maybe one of us can figure out what is wrong.
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf
Don't forget to scroll over to the far right to find and click on the "Upload" button. As shown at Standard Sewing Machine Co. Paragon
I have found that only the big red "Reply" button or "Quote" work to give me the paper clip icon to work for adding pictures.
https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...p-location.jpg
Some additional info regarding reducing images at post #4 and images for the scroll and upload button can be found at #5 of quilt block ID?
Another way to post pictures can be found at 2021/2022, 2.5” Birthday Swap
And how to use an ipad to post pictures can be found at Uploading photos
Or simply - Make sure pictures are smaller than 2MB
Click on red "Reply" button
Click on the paper clip icon
Click browse - choose picture/s. (only 5 allowed per post)
Once they show up as being loaded, Scroll over to the right side and click on "Upload"
After the pictures show up as being attached, you can close that window and go back to the screen to finish posting your post.
Some additional notes -
The photos generally need to be reduced to less than 2MB in size. I have heard of people sending an email to themselves as it will ask if you want to reduce the size. I have an android phone and when I tried to reply on Quilting Board while in mobile view None of the options for adding pictures was available. However, there is an option down at the bottom left of the page that is for "Full Site" when I tapped on "Full Site" It then looked like the way it looks on my lap top. So it would have the Red Reply and the Go Advanced options.
Do Not Preview post.
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Maybe if you take a picture of the bobbin area when it cycles and when it doesn't maybe one of us can figure out what is wrong.
We like pictures. In order to post pictures on Quilting Board, you will probably need to reduce or compress the picture to a file size that is smaller than 2MB. How to post images can be found at https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...020-01-17-.pdf
Don't forget to scroll over to the far right to find and click on the "Upload" button. As shown at Standard Sewing Machine Co. Paragon
I have found that only the big red "Reply" button or "Quote" work to give me the paper clip icon to work for adding pictures.
https://www.quiltingboard.com/attach...p-location.jpg
Some additional info regarding reducing images at post #4 and images for the scroll and upload button can be found at #5 of quilt block ID?
Another way to post pictures can be found at 2021/2022, 2.5” Birthday Swap
And how to use an ipad to post pictures can be found at Uploading photos
Or simply - Make sure pictures are smaller than 2MB
Click on red "Reply" button
Click on the paper clip icon
Click browse - choose picture/s. (only 5 allowed per post)
Once they show up as being loaded, Scroll over to the right side and click on "Upload"
After the pictures show up as being attached, you can close that window and go back to the screen to finish posting your post.
Some additional notes -
The photos generally need to be reduced to less than 2MB in size. I have heard of people sending an email to themselves as it will ask if you want to reduce the size. I have an android phone and when I tried to reply on Quilting Board while in mobile view None of the options for adding pictures was available. However, there is an option down at the bottom left of the page that is for "Full Site" when I tapped on "Full Site" It then looked like the way it looks on my lap top. So it would have the Red Reply and the Go Advanced options.
Do Not Preview post.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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Last edited by OurWorkbench; 06-22-2023 at 09:27 AM.
06-26-2023, 02:27 PM
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I would put in a brand new needle, even if the one you're testing with is new. Put in the empty bobbin case, and try it. It that cycles put in an empty bobbin, different from the one you've been using, and try to hand cycle.
The tolerances are pretty tight in the needle/hook area, the slightest bend or incorrect installation of a part can cause such problems.
The tolerances are pretty tight in the needle/hook area, the slightest bend or incorrect installation of a part can cause such problems.
06-26-2023, 05:43 PM
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It sounds like you probably have the needle inserted correctly and threaded properly, otherwise you could not have brought the bobbin thread up. It is possible that the bobbin is not threaded correctly. It needs to go under the spring and at the right tension. A common problem with some of these older machines is that the tail 3-5" ends of the threads need to be held when starting to sew. A member of the "Colorado Get-together" group has the mantra "Needle down......foot down......sew!" You still want to have some thread behind the needle.
I would still like to see some pictures of your machine and the bobbin area and case.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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I would still like to see some pictures of your machine and the bobbin area and case.
Janey - Neat people never make the exciting discoveries I do.
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