Vintage Sewing Machine Shop.....Come on in and sit a spell
12-01-2011, 09:27 AM
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This machine may be a German Lion, but I wonder how rare it really is? It looks like a Japanese Clone model 15 from the late 40's/50's?
Candace I am not up on the swastika, but I know the Nazi's used that design. According to the dictionary, the Nazi's used that design with the arms bent clockwise.
The swastika was also an ancient design and mystic symbol in the form of a cross with four equal arms, each bent to the right angle.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
I know nothing about the swastika, but the design on the bed of the machine looks like lions? Is that the swastika? I don't really see any arms?
Nancy
Candace I am not up on the swastika, but I know the Nazi's used that design. According to the dictionary, the Nazi's used that design with the arms bent clockwise.
The swastika was also an ancient design and mystic symbol in the form of a cross with four equal arms, each bent to the right angle.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
I know nothing about the swastika, but the design on the bed of the machine looks like lions? Is that the swastika? I don't really see any arms?
Nancy
12-01-2011, 09:38 AM
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I agree with Charlee, I would love to own that machine, but this guy is taking bids and who knows if you really are being outbid or if the owner is just jacking the price up!
Nancy
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12-01-2011, 09:42 AM
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I agree, I think it is a very cool looking machine, but I don't think it is that rare - maybe? Miz Johnny, Billy, or someone else on here might know? Just looking at the bed of the machine, it is exactly like my Japanese 15 Morse, even has the knob that drops the feed dogs on the bed. Except for the decals, it looks just like a Japanese clone from the 40's or 50's, with the really nice face plate. It has the spoked hand wheel that looks like it was originally a treadle?
I agree with Charlee, I would love to own that machine, but this guy is taking bids and who knows if you really are being outbid or if the owner is just jacking the price up!
Nancy
I agree with Charlee, I would love to own that machine, but this guy is taking bids and who knows if you really are being outbid or if the owner is just jacking the price up!
Nancy
12-01-2011, 09:56 AM
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I just got off the phone with my sister (the one who gave me the FW) and we got to talking sm (go figure) and she needs help with dating a couple of hers. I looked up the ones with the serial numbers, but one has the plate missing but does have patent dates on the plate: oct 8, 1870, Nov 1872, Jul 6 1880, Oct 28, 1880, Mar 20, 1883. It is a Singer treadle with "scallops" for decals. She says there is wheat and flowers in the center.
Next one is a coffin top and the serial number for this one is hard to make out...10181 081...she said it could be IO 181081, but I couldn't find any serial numbers beginningn IO, so if I go to no letter prefix and assume is it as first written I come up with an 1891 which would go with the last patent date on it of July 13, 1887. It has leaves in gold/green/dull orange on the flat of the machine (I call it the floor) and decals over the belt guard. Is there more information I can glean from this group or the internet about these machines??
Next one is a coffin top and the serial number for this one is hard to make out...10181 081...she said it could be IO 181081, but I couldn't find any serial numbers beginningn IO, so if I go to no letter prefix and assume is it as first written I come up with an 1891 which would go with the last patent date on it of July 13, 1887. It has leaves in gold/green/dull orange on the flat of the machine (I call it the floor) and decals over the belt guard. Is there more information I can glean from this group or the internet about these machines??
12-01-2011, 10:00 AM
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This machine may be a German Lion, but I wonder how rare it really is? It looks like a Japanese Clone model 15 from the late 40's/50's?
Candace I am not up on the swastika, but I know the Nazi's used that design. According to the dictionary, the Nazi's used that design with the arms bent clockwise.
The swastika was also an ancient design and mystic symbol in the form of a cross with four equal arms, each bent to the right angle.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
I know nothing about the swastika, but the design on the bed of the machine looks like lions? Is that the swastika? I don't really see any arms?
Nancy
Candace I am not up on the swastika, but I know the Nazi's used that design. According to the dictionary, the Nazi's used that design with the arms bent clockwise.
The swastika was also an ancient design and mystic symbol in the form of a cross with four equal arms, each bent to the right angle.
http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
I know nothing about the swastika, but the design on the bed of the machine looks like lions? Is that the swastika? I don't really see any arms?
Nancy
I agree that you wouldn't know if the guy was jacking the price or not...
12-01-2011, 10:18 AM
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I have to share - I got a FW 221 yesterday. No extras, but in great condition. The decals look as if she was not used. Serial number AF866066, indicating an allotment date of April 1, 1941. She is a little stiff (who wouldn't be after sitting on a shelf for 20 years!) and needs some care. The belt is leather. I had not seen one in leather before, other than treadles. I feel lucky to have her.
12-01-2011, 10:33 AM
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I have to share - I got a FW 221 yesterday. No extras, but in great condition. The decals look as if she was not used. Serial number AF866066, indicating an allotment date of April 1, 1941. She is a little stiff (who wouldn't be after sitting on a shelf for 20 years!) and needs some care. The belt is leather. I had not seen one in leather before, other than treadles. I feel lucky to have her.
12-01-2011, 10:35 AM
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Hurray, Quilt Mom!!! You've been bitten!! Have fun loosening her up and send pics!!
12-01-2011, 11:45 AM
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Yikes....here's a NAZI decal machine in my town for sale. Yikes.... http://sacramento.craigslist.org/atq/2728944283.html
12-01-2011, 11:57 AM
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I nominate you Miriam, it was your idea, well at least you voiced the idea. I myself would like to see such a thread, so that I can see what I need to add to my, just recently started, collection. Have a few we've managed to pick up here & there, and the sewing room is being set up to allow for future additions; these smaller machines take up less room 
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